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  • Chrysopoeia

    Maybe the kiss was disgusting because Carrey wasn't into people with penises? Rationalise and fantasise and modify all you like, it doesn't change a human body in the ways that actually define sex in reproductive terms.

    Until biologically-complete sex changes are possible, you just have to learn to accept how you were born. Don't muddle the issue with your own insecurities and self-denial.

  • Renovan Sorensen

    Transgender or gender bending is a mental illness. The fact that we are not treating it as such is a travesty. A man is born man and a woman is born woman. Any perceived differences are completely mental. For the sake of female and male equality we need to put a stop to the proliferation of this disease and advocate for mental help for those suffering from gender dysmorphia.

    • Lexi Esque

      I am not mentally ill. This is not something that developed one day due to trauma or health issues. Since I was self aware I knew I was not like any of the other guys. I loved playing with Barbie's, I dreamed of having a happy family with babies, I hated sports and roughing around. I felt feminine inside. I wanted to be one of the girls. That's how I felt.

      Yet I was expected to follow my gender role and be happy with the genitalia and secondary sex characteristics that I feared. (Hair on body and voice deepening). Dysphoria is a mental health issue and can be fixed. It's called hormones, surgery, therapy, and love.*
      So stop thinking we are some mentally ill people. I work, I'm extremely good with computers, I've had sex with one person (my wife) whom I married, I have bills, family members I love, and a cat that is like my own child. You're mentally ill and need to be seen for believing that I, or any of us, are any different than any other person on this planet! Just the wrong body, voice, and gender expectations. Doesn't mean we are ill.

      People suck.

      *not all of those may be needed as some dont want surgery but love is always needed.

  • Chloe Sagal

    Transsexualism IS a medical issue, not a desire. (Bear with wikipedia, but it has links to the peer reviewed articles wrapped in a nice little box here)

    Essentially the issue is that during pregnancy, the mother secretes a hormone onto the brain of the developing fetus, which determines the gender of the child. Afterwards some sort of signal is sent to the genitalia to start forming the biological sex. In trans individuals, for whatever reason (the part which is not known at this point) the signal gets crossed.

    There is a reason why trans individuals only have a life expectancy of 27. Aside from the obvious described in this passage, there is also a ridiculously high chance of suicide, not just from social stigma as well, but from not receiving the proper treatment that is so deserved. That kind of bullshit, however, extends past trans issues (though, no where in the world has it even close to being right at the moment, as most consider most of the required surgeries to be cosmetic), your issues should be taken care of just as much as the next person. But, that's the world we live in, expecting broken people that aren't capable of functioning in this society to earn their sanity.

    And to be fair, the surgeries involved are EXTREMELY expensive, and in the case of genital surgery, it requires a tremendous amount of hoops to jump through.

    I don't think the issue is that there is a problem with determining what is real/fake anymore, I think it's an issue with an obsession over what is real/fake.

    • Stephenie1

      Agreed, Transsexualism is not a transgender issue. The person who played a transgender in the movie had a mental issue and sexual fetish which is not typical of Transsexuals. I wish all Transsexuals could get on the same page and quit referring to themselves as transgender. As a Transsexual, I have always know that ours is a precise physical medical condition caused from a birth affliction as it is with being Intersexed and we do not belong mixed in with the transgender box of mixed emotional and sexually oriented fetished individuals which include cross dressing. Transsexuals do not cross dress and having sex is the last thing on our minds, especially until we can afford being surgically corrected. Anyone who says otherwise is blowing the same smoke screen that the LGB community started in 1998 when the threw Transsexuals in the transgender box as if they had any right to do so.

      • Chloe Sagal

        You're confusing the terms 'transgender' and 'transvestite'. They never mentioned what the character identified as, or clearly indicated it (which is typical of bad writers shoehorning in 'clever' plot devices without taking into considerations what groups or people they are about to marginalize).

        But, even if she identified as a transvestite, that is no reason to attack her in the same way, and it makes it just as bad as if it were a 'less extreme' identifier.

        I'll admit, I don't exactly fall under your definition of transsexual. I think about sex quite often, and have had a decent amount of partners. There also is nothing wrong with having a fetish, so long as you don't hurt anyone and you make sure that you treat anyone involved in your fetish as a person, and not an object created just to satisfy it.

        I don't mind being categorized. The part I take issue with is being involved in a movement that consistently leaves us behind. Many groups throughout history have done this, this is nothing new. It boils down to certain groups considering members of their own group 'too extreme' to gain public approval, so they cut them loose in order to gain favor with their own. Feminists were known for doing that to Lesbians way back when. And once Feminism accepted Lesbians, now they're doing the same to Transwomen. We could learn a thing or two from history.

        I don't consider Trans* individuals 'lumped in' with the LGBT movement, I consider the groups banding together. The issue is that it is more difficult for Trans* individuals to find a strong voice, as many of us are still to afraid to speak up as it requires us to be seen. When HRC keeps cutting us out, we need to go storm their fucking offices and riot. Homosexuals and Trans* individuals were there TOGETHER at stonewall. This is our movement just as much as it is theirs.

        But, it's a real dick move to try to gain favor for your group by attacking another minority that is also seeking rights. It's no different than an unpopular kid at school attacking a less popular kid to make themselves seem cool. If Transmen and Women finally manage to gain equal footing, or at least a consistent and equal voicing within the LGBT community, and we do the same thing that everyone did to us to transvestites, drag queens and other "extreme" gender nonconforming individuals, I swear I'm going to burn this mother fucker down.

  • sheriberry

    Taryn, there is no 'hatred' in these posts. On my end, call it ignorance if you wish. When I was growing up, the entire population considered homosexuals outcasts. Our worldview has changed a lot over the last several years alone. People are still hesitant to understand or accept transgender because we're now living in a time where you can dye your hair if you don't like it and you can augment your breasts if you don't like them and now you can alter your genitals too. No one knows what's real anymore. We've made it too convenient on people to be as comfortable as possible. I've got several conditions that make me chronically uncomfortable and they're actually medical issues, not just desires.

    Regardless of how you feel about my statements or those of others, I believe I am an objective and fair person and I would like to see something that convinces me that people have the right to select their gender at medical expense.

    In any case, it is our duty as a society to have open discussion about it. I'm sick of everyone trying to filter the challenging voice all the time. Not every discussion has to be politically correct and perfectly polite. I am voicing a very common opinion; refute it rather than label it 'hatred.'

    • dirigent59

      You might want to consider what that thing would be that would convince you. Holocaust deniers make a lifestyle out of refusing to be convinced no matter what their told. "Convince me" is an old refuge for holding on to your prejudices. How about you just convince yourself that you don't know what goes on inside another person, and that maybe it really isn't any of your business to judge others because you can't relate to them?

    • sona22

      ignorance is ignorance no matter how you look at it, it really doesnt concern you what we do with our bodies, they are our bodies not yours. You need to grow up to be honest and stop bothering yourself with things that have little to nothing to do with you, your a mindless biggot and an idiot and you always will be unless your willing to accept people for who they are and move on from it, but i doubt you could, i have met your sort before and in truth they never change they just delve more and more into their own hatred and try to cover up their hatred with comments about them having a so called common opinion which isnt true at all, most people just do not understand it and in your case just blatently do not wish to but more people than you think are ok with it once they understand what we go through, its people like you that cause us misery in the world and people like you who cause trans people to take their own life. You should be ashamed of yourself you pathetic excuse for a human

    • Chloe Sagal

      Not sure if I replied to this correctly or not, sorry. :P

  • Taryn Fox

    Please place a trigger warning on this post. It can be very damaging for trans people to have to see this kind of hatred.

  • sheriberry

    I can't help but take issue with the fact that transgender people are messing around with nature. I have tried understanding the LGBT culture and I do not have any qualms with homosexuality but I cannot bring myself to understand transgender. I am an open-minded person, and I would never disrespect a transgender person, but I can't help but feel confused as to why it's okay to alter our natural bodies so significantly. There was recently an article in CNN about a six-year-old trans and I thought to myself, (s)he is SIX! The parents are making the decision for this child. Children play with hotwheels and barbies, wear skirts and pants, etc. Children need to be children and grow to make their own decisions about sexuality. Even if my son prefers dolls over matchbox cars, I'm not going to take him in for surgery. I'll tell him- tough bananas. You were born this way, and it's ridiculous to undermine nature.

    I don't mean any offense in my post, but these are my feelings and I am looking for some better understanding.

    • sona22

      Well, i hope your child is transgender then you may gain some understanding of what they go through. You have no idea how damaging it can be to a child if they are trans to be told that you have to be a boy / girl because your born like that. In truth your child will just wait till he is out of your evil household and will go ahead with the transition whether you like it or not, however i have a feeling your the type of mother that will abandon your child if that is the case and it saddens me that you come across so ignorant and hateful. If you want a better understanding then instead of spouting hate and bad parenting on a message board try talking to us trans people about why we are the way we are and maybe you will see that we are just as human as you and do not deserve your hateful attitude. Now go away and grow up and go learn to be a better parent to your child.

      • susan o'connell

        Here's a confused person trying to learn, and you're vilifying her for reaching out. This is not how allies are made. Her last sentence reads, "I'm looking for some better understanding." Does that sound like hate speech? Of course it doesn't. It sounds like a cis person who has limited - if any - experience with trans folk, who is reaching out to a community rather than remain uninformed. What if her child is transgender? Do you really hope that she would abandon the child? Or would it be more beneficial to all if her questions were addressed with understanding and honesty? Very few of us grew up with a non-binary view of gender and sexuality. It takes time to develop empathy and understanding. Meeting curiosity with anger just creates animosity.

        • dirigent59

          Sorry, Susan, as I stated before "I'm just curious" is a dodge. There is nothing to be curious about - if a person gender identify as a guy, but they have girl parts, they are a guy inside and it's up to them if they want to make the transition. The fact that she "doesn't understand" is really up to her - she can understand if she simply starts with the understanding that she is incorrect about this.

    • Taryn Fox

      Intersex persons, who have multiple or ambiguous primary or secondary sexual characteristics, exist in nature. Often they're just assigned a gender at birth, but the one that they're given is not necessarily the one they're most comfortable with in adult life. The medical doctor has to make a guess, and our society then canonizes it as "natural" and "fact."

      Some people are intersex in that all of their external sexual characteristics are gendered one way, but their brain and their mind are not. These people "naturally" experience a great deal of pain in their lives, as they are forced to conform to the appearance and behaviour cues of the wrong gender.

      It is natural for sick or injured people to seek treatment. Please don't suggest we should let others suffer and die -- and trans people at high risk of suicide -- because you personally do not like them.

      Also please educate yourself before saying anything more on this subject, ever, to anyone. You'll wish you hadn't if somebody close to you comes out as trans. They will tell you that you made it much harder for them.

  • Skytal

    Uhm...Alright maybe I'm way off base but I don't consider Einhorn to be transgender, in the true sense. The character wasn't dressing and identifying as a female because he felt he was of the female gender. The character was doing it as a long and detailed revenge scheme. The original Einhorn went missing on a hiking trip. Finkle found the identity easy to assume to catapult his career with the police so that he could kidnap a dolphin and Dan Marino. And Ace didn't kiss Einhorn. Ace was closing in on the case and Einhorn kissed Ace. The interpretation of which was she was trying to seduce him so that she could get him alone and later kill him. As she did with the guy she threw off the balcony, I forget that character's name. And in the end he's not stripping down a transgender being to humiliate them in front of a bunch of people. It's to prove that Finkle is Einhorn, a deranged psychopath willing to go to any measure to obtain revenge. Posing as Einhorn, the chief of police, Finkle is ordering the police to shoot and kill Ace. Hence the disrobing to prove Einhorn's true identity. Now, all that being said. I agree with the premise of the article. Transgender people are vilified and/or "cartoonified?" I just made up a word, in the media. What I mean is there made out to be "fake" people. I don't think I'm explaining what I mean very well. But everything about them is taken to an extreme, and not in a good way. I truly hope that changes. PS. I haven't seen any of the other movies listed. And please correct me if I'm wrong as to my statement about not thinking Einhorn is truly transgender. The more information I have the better I can be informed. :)

    • Taryn Fox

      The character you describe is not really trans. The film in question thus erases transgender people, and replaces them with "cartoonified" villains.

  • Krystine Forest

    well i'm GLAD you changed your mind NOT all transgenderd folks are "preditors" 99% just want to live their lives in peace, and every time i go out either with my mom or by myself or if i date (surprised) i'm worried "will i die today" it's always a worry in the back of my mind i have to be careful (and in full disclosure i am intersexed it's just some birth defects) i keep to myself and NEVER bother anyone

  • Ulises Perez

    It seems to me that while this article has a great point to make and I just plain like it, evaluating or judging something in the past because of today's philosophies is a bit unfair. Ace Ventura happened at a particular point in time and space in human history, where different values and knowledge was promoted. Aside from the fact that they make fun of the stereotype of the predatory tran, (being a comedy and all), I really doubt Mr. Carrey would portray such a stereotype here and now in 2013.

    Judging this movie with today's standards, is like judging harakiri in feudal japan with today's pro-life-everyone-must-live-and-deserves-a-second-chance mindset. Although completely different topics, the judgement should be pointed out in the historical context where it happened.

    Transgenders do suffer a lot, and more so because of ignorance and the way we've been raised. It has to stop, now. This was a very good article, and I did enjoy it. Thank you for it.

    • Diva Williams

      The problem in your argument is that this film is not nearly as far removed from the modern day as feudal Japan. Not even a generation has passed since it was released. The same people who went to the theater to see it are alive and well today, raising children and teaching them about the world, and interacting with others. What we've been exposed to growing up informs us on how to deal ith both of these acts. The ideas prevalent a mere 20 years ago are still prevalent right now, the only difference being that the community of people who speak out against those ideas has grown.

      Even then, the passage of time doesn't negate the wrongness of the deed. Should we not analyze how racist Birth of a Nation was because that's "just how people were back then"? Should we forgive the Holocaust because most of the survivors have passed away? Do slave traders get a free pass because the majority of people don't think slavery is acceptable anymore? It is dangerous to believe that we should stop discussing negative depictions of disadvantaged groups because you wouldn't be able to "get away with it" now. It is imperative that we question and analyze the bigotry of the past- recent and distant- in order to gain a deeper understanding of how we came to be in the situation we are in as a society, and to find ways to change that thinking. Bigotry doesn't have an expiration date.

      • Jenn Kanze-Eaton

        Diva, you pretty much covered all of my points! And very handily. I think the crux of it is that the 12 year olds in the theater watching Ace Ventura are the adults raising kids today. I was about 24, and was appalled and incredibly uncomfortable by the sexism and trans-phobia in the movie, especially as it's target audience is tween-teen boys.

        • Diva Williams

          That's my main concern! I was only about 5 at the time, and I distinctly remember not getting why they were freaking out. MY mom explained that I should laugh at Ace Ventura's expense for being such an idiot. Now I'm a grown woman, and I have to be sure that the man I reproduce with won't disown our kid and divorce me because he thinks this type of behavior is okay. We analyze the past for the sake of the future, and I intend to give my kids a brighter one by making sure they understand what they see and hear every day.

  • clsisman

    I think this is an excellent article and (although thankfully I've never seen it) it looks repulsive. However, I think straight people get a terrible rap. 'In reality, we know the real predators are straight people afraid of transgender interlopers.' I'm not saying there aren't a lot of transphobic people who are straight, but there are also LGB people who are transphobic. Also, some of us straight people AREN'T transphobic. I felt like that comment was extremely unfair. I didn't realise that if I wanted to defend transgender rights I had to apologise for being straight.

    • Diva Williams

      I took that sentence as meaning very specifically the straight people who are transphobic, not straight people in general. However, transphobia certainly exists in gay and lesbian people, and is equally reprehensible. However, there are significantly more well known and accessible media produced by and for straight audiences. By virtue of that, most of the examples of music, film, etc. are among those.

  • Slice0Pudding

    So, you're saying they're not making fun of the fact that Jim kissed a guy, but that the guy was transgender?

    Because that's all I see now and had seen when I was younger. Kissing another guy when you're not bisexual or homosexual is gross. Not to mention you're being lied to by someone you felt attracted to.

    • Adam Armstrong

      Except a male-to-female transsexual is not a man. She's a woman just as much as if she had been born female. But thank you for demonstrating your ignorance and bigotry.

      • Slice0Pudding

        In my mind, she is physically a male. While I personally am bisexual and would not find it strange like Jim does. I do understand that you can't force someone to be okay with dating or being physically attracted to someone who for all intents is female, yet was born male physically.

        • Adam Armstrong

          Sorry, but I can't accept that. A person's physical body does not define their gender.

          • Mark Smart

            So this is where I find the whole issue very confusing. If the physical body does not define gender then why do transgender people feel the need to change their physical body? I accept other things define gender as well as physical attributes.

            • Adam Armstrong

              They change their body in order to make their physical sex match their true gender.

              • Sims Freeplay

                Their physical body IS their true gender. Their "feelings" do not decide genetics. You're an idiot

    • kittenofthebaskervilles

      Jim Carrey's character didn't kiss a guy, though -- he kissed a woman who happened to be trans*. She didn't lie to him: he assumed that she was cisgender, and then reacted very badly when he discovered that she was not.

      Presenting that bad reaction as an acceptable and normal way to behave, and encouraging the audience to laugh at the idea that a trans* woman is 'really a guy', is what the author of the essay is objecting to.

      • Slice0Pudding

        It's funny because I only watched the scene in the movie from YouTube without reading much more.
        I realize now that the movie is very blatant in its mockery. If what the writers says about the rest of the movie is true, then I take back what I said. It only applied to one scene without context of the rest of the movie.

  • Kivan Zia

    This movie came out in 1994. Are we really going to do this? It's like you're just looking for a beehive to kick. I'm all for LGBT rights, 100%. But this movie is nearly 20 years old. What are you accomplishing by digging this up? LET IT GO. Let's focus on the present and our future.

    Waste of time, crying over spilled milk.

    • Diva Williams

      So you're for LGBT rights, but you're against people analyzing why they have so much difficulty living in modern society in the first place? And I suppose I should "just let go" of slavery, which lead to systemic poverty which I've been struggling my way out of my whole life, discrimination against women, which is why I get paid less than my male coworkers who have less experience than I do, xenophobia, which caused all of the voluntary immigrants in my family hell. All of that was well over 20 years ago, and all of it affects my life every day. Everyone has the right to learn about and explore any and all aspects of history and the media that have caused our lives to be what they are today. And in the face of history, 20 years is nothing. Hell, in the face of one person's life 20 years isn't much. It sounds like you're 100% for burying your head in the sand. To refer to oppressed people as "whining" because they're talking about their situation shows just how little you support the rights of anyone whose problems aren't yours to be "whined" about.

      • Sims Freeplay

        Life sucks for everyone. Welcome to America. Don't like it move to Africa

    • dawnroselyn

      @Kivan Zia - We haven't "done this" at all. it's only just now that we're beginning to cross the threshold with trans that we crossed with blacks in the 80s or women in the 60s and 70s - that it isn't cool to make fun of them. Now is the moment where we're just beginning to have the social awareness and sensitivity necessary to "do this".

      Attempting to live, even in this time, as transgender is a nightmare. We are orders of magnitude more likely to be victims of violent crime or police brutality. We face persistent and pervasive discrimintation in housing, employment, and basic social services you take for granted (such as going to the bathroom in public). Our murder and suicide rates are nothing less than genocidal in scope.

      What's the statute of limitations on dehumanizing people for not fitting into a preferred social class? When do we "do this"?

    • kittenofthebaskervilles

      @Kivan Zia

      It's not just films from 20 years ago, though -- here's a clip from 'The IT Crowd', made in around 2008:

      (a trans woman's partner has just realised that she is trans: the two get into a very violent fight, which the show's live-studio audience finds hilarious)

      It seems that this kind of milk is still getting spilled on a fairly frequent basis: I think encouraging people not to spill it any further is a pretty laudable goal.

  • Robyn Sheppard

    Natalie Windsor: It sounds to me as if all you are really teaching your child is to take advantage of her power and privilege as a non-minority white heterosexual. This is NOT comedy, any more than racist jokes or rapist jokes are comedy. I am a trans-woman, and I find all of these skits that are based on transphobia and ignorance to be extremely repulsive. They trivialize hate crimes, and turn them into jokes.

    When your daughter becomes one of the 49% of women in the US who is sexually assaulted by the time she is 17, will you make a joke about it, and tell her that it's funny? Somehow I doubt it.

    • Alex Hitt

      Can I ask where the 49% statistic comes from? I am genuinely curious.

  • Morgan Matthews

    To Natalie Windsor, if you truly think that calling someone "it", throwing up because of them and stripping them in front of a whole group of police-officers is somehow progressive and not transphobic, you're delusional.

  • Natalie Windsor

    I dunno...I love that film, and I look back on it as inspiring. You know, the bit where he dresses in a tutu? I know it's negative, kinda, but it comes across as positive to me. Comedy always exaggerates stereotypes but it doesn't mean it's saying something is bad - it's like reverse psychology?

    It at least brought transgenderism into the media. Aged 12, I would never even have known about transgender people had I not seen that movie! It just wasn't talked about at home or in school.

    It's almost like the psychological role of comedy in society is to bring shadows into light.

    It shows you, in a funny way, what you're NOT supposed to do. (Eg. you're NOT supposed to find trans repulsive).

    In turn, this makes the audience laugh and in humour, helps them to slowly release tension and realise the right way to act.

    I do this in parenting all the time.

    Instead of shouting at my daughter 'DON'T do that!'
    I give her a caricature of what she is doing. So if she is shouting too loudly, I will shout even louder, pout, act like her but worse.

    This makes her really laugh, and immediately helps her to see what she's doing wrong, but without upsetting her.

    In all honesty, the Ace Ventura films are my favourite films of all time. I constantly look back on them as inspiration for what I do today - which is stand up for animal rights, explore gender boundaries and challenge norms, and am sexually liberated in my expression. I am not afraid to be funny, pull funny faces, joke about sex, have good sex, dress as a man or a woman or inbetween. That's the beautiful legacy of those films for me.

    So I'm sorry if there were negative affects for you.

    I really think that upbringing might make a difference - I don't know what yours was like, obviously, but I was brought up in a liberal environment - not racist, homophobic, or transphobic, agnostic (bordering on atheist but not quite!) etc. So that set the scene for me being more accepting of trans, gay and bisexuality, occult beliefs when I came across them.

    I was brought up to be alternative. To challenge the norms. I had to carry a violin to school and get accused of it being a machine gun. I was very artistically sensitive - I thought I was being bullied but now, when I look back, I realise I never understood not to take classmates seriously when they are joking. Especially male-brained humour. I have had to study Asperger's syndrome, consider whether I suffer from that and really change my perception of humour. And this really helped when I became an over-serious, ocd parent suffering from postnatal depression.

    • Robyn Sheppard

      Natalie, did anyone ever beat you or try to kill you simply because you play the violin? Which is something you do by CHOICE. Some of us live in fear for our lives simply because we EXIST. 19 transwomen were killed in Brazil last month, and in Pakistan, the day before International Women's Day, 20 transwomen were thrown in jail. Can you show me the humor in that?

      • Alex Hitt

        Natalie is not saying that there is humor in transsexuality. What she is saying is that comedy brings these issues into light and helps people come to realize how stupid they are being.

    • Susanna Sharp-Schwacke

      "Comedy always exaggerates stereotypes but it doesn't mean it's saying something is bad - it's like reverse psychology?"

      Bollocks. Mocking something as described is most definitely saying something is bad. The examples shown are pathetic, and defending any of them is offensive to human nature. Defending this behavior because it was done in an alleged comedy is like saying, "It's OK to make a "nigger" joke because it's a joke, man!" Again, bollocks.

      • D. Grace Rose

        While I'm not going to disagree on any particular point, and I personally can't stand Ace Ventura, I would like to point to Mel Brook's "Blazing Saddles" as the example of comedy being used to point out the wrongness and bigotry in a society.

        • Diva Williams

          Yes! And there is a HUGE difference between pointed satire with a storyline designed to send a message, and a gag with no context or explanation built into it.

    • Sotaro Shibahara

      I think the point is that it continues a long history of marginalization and vilification of transgender people as the "other", the idea that they are "abnormal" i.e. not fitting into our society's skewed idea of norms, and those subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) representations in media contribute to the continue marginalization of transgender and transsexual people in our society and feed into the kinds of stereotypes which can cause people to act violently towards them.

      There's a scene in 'Trainspotting' where the psychopathic Begbie (Robert Carlyle) is freaking out about how he had picked up a transsexual girl at a club, and then threatens to knife his friend Renton (played by Ewan McGregor) because he jokingly questions Begbie's sexual orientation because of it.

      The 'Trainspotting' example is a little different because the audience clearly isn't supposed to identify or sympathize with Begbie, who is clearly maladjusted and violent, and even Renton is not exactly the most upstanding citizen as he admits in the film (they are all heroin addicts, naturally). But in the 'Ace Ventura' example, it is clearly trying to push the idea that being "grossed out" (to the point of vomiting) about transsexual and transgender people is "normal", and that it's alright for people to laugh and make jokes about transsexual and transgender people and treat them like second-class citizens. Furthermore, the 'Ace Ventura' example clearly shows how transgender and transsexual people are vilified, often cast as villains or otherwise entirely mentally unwell, and it is more than suggested that this is due to them being transsexual or transgender.

      There is nothing funny about that, and even my sister when she was much younger did not find this movie remotely funny, and she was disgusted at the blatant transphobic nature of the jokes. I refuse to watch the movie because of what my sister told me, because I cannot justify supporting any movie which seeks to validate the idea that it's alright to bully, marginalize, discriminate and vilify transgender and transsexual people.

      I have at least one transgender friend and I would never dream of joking about anything like that or laugh about such jokes. Also, he's way more buff than I could ever hope to be, and could handily kick my ass... and I wouldn't blame him if I acted towards him the way 'Ace Ventura' acts towards transgender and transsexual people.

      • Jake Hamby

        What a horrible movie Ace Ventura: Pet Detective was. I remember thinking it was creepy and bullying and mean-spirited when I saw it as a teenager, and the over-the-top levels of disgust that Ace Ventura has over being "tricked" by Einhorn is just not funny, and never was, even 20 years ago when "things were different" or "we weren't as advanced" or whatever.

        As for Trainspotting, the scene with the trans woman portrays Renton as sympathetic to her with his monologue leading up to Begbie telling Renton about his encounter. He says, "music is changing, drugs are changing, even men and women are changing. In my opinion, it's all to do with aesthetics and fuck-all to do with morality. It's all about who you fancy. But don't try telling Francis Begbie that."

        Then we cut to a scene of Begbie making out with the woman in a compact car, discovering she had a penis and then immediately cutting to Renton's reaction to hearing the story from Begbie. He doesn't question Begbie's sexuality per se but says something like "how do you know you might have really enjoyed it?" to which Begbie pulls out a knife and threatens Renton with it.

        FWIW, Begbie is one of a few major characters in that movie who isn't a heroin addict. He's just a violent sociopathic predator who's somehow tolerated by Mark Renton and his circle of friends.

      • Susanna Sharp-Schwacke

        Kudos, Sotaro. I've never seen Ace Ventura, and I never will, based on the horrific scene as described above. It's hateful, to say the very least.